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Five Things We've Learned About Moving Abroad

11/12/2024

 
Seville, Spain / The Amigos Project / 5 Things We've Learned / Karen McCann / EnjoyLivingAbroad.com
Jimmy and Cristina lived and worked all over the world before retiring in Seville.

Do you ever have days when your tech devices gang up on you, taking fiendish delight in frustrating your efforts to perform the simplest task? I’ll take that as a yes. When that happened to me Friday, along with the teeth-grinding exasperation came the nagging feeling of familiarity. What did this convoluted, time-devouring, mind-numbing quagmire remind me of?
 
And then I had it. Spanish bureaucracy.

Spanish Bureaucracy / Seville, Spain / The Amigos Project / 5 Things We've Learned / Karen McCann / EnjoyLivingAbroad.com

Here in Seville, Rich and I once had to close a couple of moribund bank accounts, one with a balance of 10€, the other with 20€. To terminate, the clerk explained, required a zero balance.
 
“Fine,” I said. “We’ll take the cash now.”
 
She looked at me as if I’d requested a dodgy sexual favor. “No. We do not keep money here.”
 
But … this was a bank! Where the hell did they keep the money? In a shoebox under the bed?
 
Rich asked soothingly, “What would you suggest?”
 
After furious tapping and screen-scowling, she said, “I could transfer the 10€ to a charity. Perhaps …” more furious tapping. “UNICEF?”
 
“Fine.” The transfer took twenty minutes. First account: closed.

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Fool that I was, I said, “Now we send the 20€ to UNICEF?”
 
She gave me her trademark dodgy-sexual-favor look. “Impossible.”
 
Naturally I asked why, but the answer was so long-winded my eyes soon glazed over; it’s possible my ears may have been bleeding slightly. All I can tell you is that there are two types of accounts, and this was the other kind. Forty minutes later, we agreed the bank would keep the money, the account would never be closed, and Rich and I would never darken their door again.
 
Opening a Spanish bank account isn’t any easier.
 
“I didn’t realize it at the beginning,” my Romanian friend Cristina told me Friday, “but here someone has to introduce you to your banker."

Seville, Spain / The Amigos Project / 5 Things We've Learned / Karen McCann / EnjoyLivingAbroad.com
In Seville, you rely on amigos to clue you in about how things work. Here we are with Cristina, Jimmy, and Sevillanos Isabel and Julio, who have kindly explained countless times just where we have gone ridiculously wrong.

​“At first, we couldn’t get anything done,"Cristina recalled. "We had found a place to buy, and needed to put down a deposit. To do that we needed a bank account. But to open a bank account we needed a fixed address. And an NIE.” That’s the Número de Identificación de Extranjero (Foreigner Identification Number) the Spanish authorities give you.
 
“And to get an NIE,” she continued, “we needed a bank account. And a fixed address. We went around and around. Finally our lawyer intervened. He knew someone who worked at the bank, introduced us to them, and somehow it all got arranged.”
 
“Patience and persistence,” said Cristina’s husband, Jimmy. “That’s what you need.” And Jimmy should know; he’s an American who has lived all over the US and Eastern Europe, including  Romania, where he met Cristina in 1999.

Bucharest, Romania / The Amigos Project / 5 Things We've Learned / Karen McCann / EnjoyLivingAbroad.com
Bucharest is an impressive city. Rich and I stayed in this wonderfully atmospheric apartment building there in 2014.

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“I was born in Bucharest and lived there all my life,” Cristina said. “In 2004 Jim had a job in Jordan and I went with him. I left everything behind: my job, which was great; my cats which I loved with all my heart; my dad; my friends; my language.”
 
“In Jordan we learned a few words of Arabic, to get around,” said Jimmy. “But it was complicated. There were lunar aspects and sun aspects of the language. Egyptian Arabic was different from Jordanian Arabic. Of course, it’s not Roman characters, and it reads from right to left.” After that job and a stint in the US, they retired to Seville in 2016, where learning Spanish proved less daunting than Arabic but was still no cakewalk. 
 
“Take language classes,” Jimmy advised, “but be careful. We went to one school, and they assured us that there was a wide age range of students. There was not a person there older than 24. I felt like everybody’s grandfather.” (Jimmy is 75, Cristina 62.)

Katowice, Poland / The Amigos Project / 5 Things We've Learned / Karen McCann / EnjoyLivingAbroad.com
Daily life in a foreign language requires creativity. A few years back, I added drawings to my hotel laundry list in Katowice, Poland to avoid misunderstandings.

​Everyone asks them about Spain’s medical care.  “Don’t be afraid of it,” Jimmy said. “The health system is wonderful.”
 
Cristina nodded. “Last year I had a small foot fracture. The doctor said I needed an MRI. I talked to the clerk and she said, ‘Yes, you can have one in half an hour, just wait here.’” You’ve gotta love the service.
 
Taxes are always a delicate subject, but I felt I owed it to my readers to inquire. In years that they spend more than 180 days in Seville, Cristina and Jimmy qualify as tax residents of Spain. “There’s a huge difference,” Jimmy said. “Our non-resident tax is about 100€ to 200€. As tax residents, we pay 6,000€ to 7,000€. My advice: Get a tax lawyer.”
 
Professional advice is also essential, he said, for getting your Spanish drivers’ license, which is required after six months of residency. (Unless, like me, you never drive here.) Jimmy passed the written test — now available in English — on his own but wisely worked with an instructor to get insider tips for the driving test. “Everything you think you know, it’s totally the opposite,” Cristina said.

Seville, Spain / The Amigos Project / 5 Things We've Learned / Karen McCann / EnjoyLivingAbroad.com
Spanish driving conditions often require a special set of skills.

​Jimmy summed it up: “If you are thinking of relocating, remember it’s not the same as a vacation. And it’s not the same as the US. You’ve got to be open.”
 
Being open to new ways of doing things isn’t always easy, and some newcomers crash and burn. CNN recently published an interview with Joanna McIsaac-Kierklo who retired to France with her husband in October 2023. Now they’re back in San Francisco, saying their dream life had become a nightmare.
 
“I honestly don’t think we could have put in any more effort to acclimatize to the French way of life,” said Joanna.
 
Really?

She avoided her fellow expats — “that’s not exactly why we came on this adventure” — but never learned any French. “I have been so busy packing, unpacking, assembling furniture etc. that I haven’t really found time to hunker down and start.” Small wonder that she eventually told her husband, “I haven’t talked to one person here in three months.” Was she waiting for les Français to learn English and show up at her apartment?

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Joanna in her San Francisco apartment. Photo courtesy of Joanna McIsaac-Kierklo/CNN

Joanna complained that procedures for setting up a bank account and finding a doctor were annoyingly different from those she knew in America. “You talk to the French, and they just shrug their shoulders. And they go, ‘Well, this is France. That’s how it is.’” Yes, and isn’t that the whole point of moving abroad? To try new ways of doing things ?
 
Even the food disappointed her. “People go, ‘Oh my God, the French food is so fabulous. Yeah, if you want to eat brie, pâté, pastries, and French bread all day long. But who eats like that?” Well, yes, that does sound like a nightmare.

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“You go to the supermarket, and the produce is terrible,” she says. Photo courtesy of Joanna McIsaac-Kierklo/CNN.

As the Buddhists remind us, wherever you go, there you are. So much of how we experience the world depends on our attitude and the narrative we wrap around our experiences.

The French like to say, En tout pays, il y a une lieue de mauvais chemin (In every country there is a stretch of bad road). The question is whether we’re going to spend every minute searching for bumps and potholes or roll down the windows, step on the gas, and lean forward to see what adventure awaits us around the next bend.
 
The Five Things Cristina & Jimmy Learned
Cultivate patience and persistence.
Take language classes but choose wisely.
Trust the health care system.
Work with a tax lawyer.
Hire a driving instructor.
Bonus tip: Be open to everything.

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Jimmy and Cristina, dressed for Seville's Feria de Abril (April Fair)


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Steve McC link
11/11/2024 07:27:55 pm

Thank you Karen for your Amigos Project. And thank you and Rich for putting me up in Sevilla over the weekend, and letting me hang with you guys.

Sharing experiences of families and couples moving overseas and the challenges involved is fertile ground I imagine. I am lucky enough to be friends with Jimmy and Cristina and thank them for providing spot on insight into many of the main challenges in Spain.

I laughed a bit painfully about Joanna’s experience in France. I understand Joanna some because I too have been guilty of having unreasonable expectations that lead to unhappiness.

I am reminded of a trip my wife Pia took to the Soviet Union just before the wall came down. She was on a Chilean/Argentinian tour with her parents that was conducted in Spanish. They stopped at a lot of restaurants where tomatoes and onions were what they ate. Yum yum. And in their group was an Argentinian lady that was famous for complaining about everything. She was called “El huevo podrido” (the rotten egg) by the rest of the tour group. Her most famous complaint is when there were in Kiev eating chicken, and she said “Esto no es Pollo a la Kiev!. She was mad and wanted the chicken served the same way as her favorite restaurant in Argentina.

Karen K McCann
11/12/2024 12:44:50 pm

Steve, it was great having you with us this weekend; so much fun catching up! As a veteran of the expat experience, you know all about the ups and downs. And yes, I think we all wince a little at Joanna's story, because everyone gets caught up in expectations sometimes. It's only natural to make comparisons between your new life and your old one. We want Chicken Kiev to taste like the Chicken Kiev we know and love — even if it is nothing like the chicken they actually serve in Kiev. That's why living abroad is so helpful; most of us find it opens our eyes to the world and makes us more flexible and resilient, like Cristina and Jimmy. And that is truly a blessing.

Paul Menconi
11/12/2024 04:45:31 pm

Thank you Karen! We have been talking endlessly about that CNN article since it came out. Especially since that couple ended up moving to Montpellier, where we live!

And yes, we all (all us ex-pats) had to go through the same frustrations they did to find lodging and a bank—except, we’re all still here. (And she’s probably the only person in France who had trouble finding decent vegetables, with all the fine markets here!)

You did your usual superior job of putting this to rest for us. Thanks again!

Karen K McCann
11/13/2024 06:21:19 pm

Paul, I was thinking of you, Paula, and all our expat amigos in Montpellier when I read this article. Somehow you guys all love it there despite the "terrible" cooking, "inferior" vegetables and locals who don't have the courtesy to speak English. So glad you guys are all such enthusiastic and flexible expats!

Gwoman
11/12/2024 05:09:18 pm

When we lived overseas for my husband’s job, I worked as a relocation consultant helping new arrivals settle into their new life. It was easy to tell those who would succeed and thrive in this new life and those who would crash and burn. So many were expecting life to be exactly the same as it was at home and couldn’t or wouldn’t make the effort to adapt to their new life. Even things like not being able to get their favorite cereal or coffee brand was enough to put them in a downward spiral. Most didn’t last their entire contract. Those who were excited about the opportunity were open to discovering new ways of life and embraced the changes they encountered. They thrived in their new life. Many, like us, found ways to extend our stay after the original contract ended. Attitude made such a difference.

Karen K McCann
11/13/2024 06:28:19 pm

You're so right; it really is all about an attitude of adaptability. I'm sure intellectually they all knew things were going to be different abroad, but as you say, it is often the little details of life — unfamiliar coffee and cereal in the morning — that really brings home how foreign this place is. To some, that's totally discombobulating, to others it's rather exhilarating. So much is in the eye of the beholder!

Shéa MacLeod link
11/12/2024 07:49:57 pm

Not gonna lie, I totally LOLd over the terrible French produce. Oh, I needed that laugh this morning!

Karen K McCann
11/13/2024 06:29:25 pm

I know, right, Shéa? Didn't your heart just go out to that poor woman, forced to subsist on those vegetables?

Glad you enjoyed a laugh. We need all we can get these days.

Faye
11/13/2024 05:47:19 pm

LOL …what! Going to a different country but wanting and expecting everything to be the same as in US. So why would I want to go elsewhere?

Photos speak a thousand words!

Karen K McCann
11/13/2024 06:33:50 pm

So true, Faye. It's really the reason we travel or live abroad — to try out new things. And sometimes we're pleasantly surprised; the French or Spanish version of something may be far better, or more interesting, than what we had back home. And if it's truly ghastly (there are a couple of liqueurs here that I swear taste like lighter fluid and cough syrup respectively) then at least we have material for storytelling and jokes.

Tobey Hiller
11/17/2024 04:37:01 am

Dear Karen—just got around (finally!) to reading this—charming & informative and right/on as usual! with a bit of a spicy tang. Christina & Jimmy sound like wonderful buddies, and as for the bureaucratic run arounds, the ol’ US of A has some doozies too—just try voting in Georgia (whoops-swore I wouldn’t do that…) or even navigating the maze of the current CA DMV. That closing the bank account story’s pretty Kafkaesque though. Anyway, humor’s the best antidote to the human world’s manifold inconsistencies & attacks on reason—so reading this was good medicine!

Karen K McCann
11/19/2024 10:43:43 am

Yes, the world feels pretty Kafkaesque these days, Tobey, which is probably why I got to reminiscing about this goofy bank closure debacle. So glad you enjoyed the post. Humor is the best antidote, and it's fun to have this forum for exploring the absurdities of life. Thanks for joining me on the journey.


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